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Post by Genocide on Apr 23, 2006 16:42:03 GMT -5
Here is a good question that should get alot of debate. Is Extreme wrestling dead?
I personally think Extreme will live forever. However I have heard from others that it is dying and nobody wants to see it anymore. I'm just wondering your guys thoughts on this matter.
Genocide
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Post by Jacob Frost on Apr 23, 2006 22:55:43 GMT -5
I think extreme can still be done so long as it is done right. The misconception that extreme is only about swinging objects is complete and utter ignorance.
Extreme can be woven into a storyline with brilliance if done right. Example being two guys are working each other they have say 4 matches where two matches have ended in clean victories and the other two end in screw jobs. So now you need that one match that will finish the job. Bring out the extreme.
On the same note extreme shouldn't be used in every match of the night. Why? Because then you ruin the excitement. The fans need to feel a buzz about what they are about to see and if the first match of the night starts out with weapons flying around then they get their fix so you defeat the mood of extreme if every other match is some kind of extreme match.
The only problem with extreme and this goes into high spots as well is that once you have done the extreme you have to one up that extreme in order to keep it exciting and fresh for the people watching. Take for example the typical chair shot. Chairs are used on a regular basis and now when a worker gets hit with a chair there is a slight buzz but not as much as there used to be when chairs first started coming into play. Same thing goes for kendo sticks, in the fact that Sandman used one, then Dreamer then, Credible to the point where it became not a cool prop in a match but an expected item. You can also use New Jack's balcony dive.
So while extreme is still a viable commodity in wrestling it should be treaded on carefully.
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Post by hated1 on Apr 26, 2006 11:35:35 GMT -5
^^^ I totally agree with tha in fact me and ny partner were talking about just that not long ago. Extreme is great but to much of one thing can get boring and then people lose interest.
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Post by xpw on May 5, 2006 4:46:41 GMT -5
i believe that extreme wrestling, wether it be swinging barbed wire wrapped chairs or not, will live on for quite some time. i am very excited about the return of ECW. that proves that anything can happen in wrestling, and with "E-C-Dub" returning in september, i believe that the Extreme will come back stronger than ever if indeed it has died off some
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Post by radleytrigg on May 6, 2006 5:22:35 GMT -5
I agree with J frost
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Post by razz1 on Jun 23, 2006 0:10:51 GMT -5
Is extreme wresting dead umm nope here in montreal there trying ot take it over the top in some feds where there has been matches that involved barbwire and tables lit on fire and also thumb takcs and ladders to name a few items other than the tradition al kendo stick or belt to be hit over ones head or a chair so in regards to extreme being dead nope its gonna be going on as long as the fanbase wants it to happen if a promoter is having difficultys i have hurd of haveing a back lot brawl between to top talents to draw in the numbers so in that case i can see it not going anywhere in the neer future.
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Post by steviewhipreck on Jun 23, 2006 14:11:45 GMT -5
i want extreme to stay alive, but i am affraid it wont.
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Post by Hammer on Jun 24, 2006 2:52:56 GMT -5
I think it will always be here because of the Japaneese and their obsession with hardcore wrestling and CZW and orginizations like that. I love hardcore wrestling and will always put it in my shows. I hope it stays here.
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Post by pwo6911752 on Jun 25, 2006 13:51:25 GMT -5
i think extreme wrestling will live for ever, ECW is back but its under WWE control so how extreme can they really get. ECW for LIFFFFFFFEEEEEEEEEE.
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Post by Hammer on Jun 26, 2006 10:08:07 GMT -5
Well that's just it. ECW is under WWE. ECW is NEVER and I repete, NEVER going to be what it was in the day. Don't get me wrong, I love ECW, but I loved it for what it was. Now there is Kurt Angle, Big Show, and other WWE wrestlers. I was hopeing it would just be classic ECW Alumni. And no extreme wrestling will never die.
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Post by leighclarke on Jul 2, 2006 7:48:31 GMT -5
Extreme wrestling will never be big. I am a fan of it, but hardly any feds know how to use them properly.
This is going to be hard to explain. But say if one wrestler hits another with a steel chair and is able to get a 3 count from it and win.
The next match, someone does about 5 steelchair shots and the other wrestler is able to kick out, were as before it only took one chair shot to get a 3 count.
I feel because of this, this is where it gets boring and stupid. I think that in extreme wrestling, each weapon should have a 'limit' or a certain 'power' so weapons dont seem stupid and can actualy be kool.
I hope you understand that but it was the best way I could explain it.
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Post by stu99 on Jul 16, 2006 21:39:58 GMT -5
i think that extreme wrestling is just as important as any other wrestling and it is the backbone of wrestling today without it whhere would wrestling turn to for a twist in thheir matches wrestling would slowly die without it i love extreme wrestling but thats just my 2 cent
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Post by spawnofsociety on Jul 31, 2006 23:54:45 GMT -5
I agree with some of u. Extreme is cool but I love watching really good technical matches with actual skill invovled.
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Post by nwo4life on Aug 5, 2006 1:32:37 GMT -5
Personaly i feel that with the many wrestling promotions on the indy circut that Extreme wrestling is not dead, it just doesn't get that big of a view as the WWE or TNA does.(and never will) But there are plenty promotions out there that still stay true to the roots of extreme, and will forever.
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Post by bigjoe818 on Aug 5, 2006 2:14:28 GMT -5
Hardcore wrestling will not die as long as there is pro wrestling. even though some aspects can get dull and repetitive, there are always wrestlers out there that will push each other to a new limit and come up with something that will make you chant the usual 2 words (ho** **it). as long as there is a way to maintain wrestling fresh then we have nothing to worry about. the storyline is a very big decicive factor, if the 1st match in a rivalry is a hardcore match, then the fans are going to expect to much, and therefor it will seem that every other match has already been done and will seem boring.
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Post by kennymccormick18 on Aug 10, 2006 17:21:33 GMT -5
Extreme is great it will never die as long as it gets pushed right. Weapons are great but they need to be used right. Use weapons to make move look more hard hitting like rvds rolling thunder while the person is laying on a lader or sabu with his chair leg drops. Yes its fun to watch someone get hit with a chair but it doesn't make much since to get hit with a chair and be pinned for a three one night and then the next time kick out after several chair shots.
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Post by The SteelDragon on Aug 13, 2006 7:46:53 GMT -5
I think extreme has suffered from over censorship, but will recover. Contary to popular belief, extreme/hardcore started long before the 90's. Abdullah and Terry Funk were doing it in the 1970s and if I were older I could probably name a lot of wrestlers that did long before them. Its safe to say extreme will be around long after my days as a wrestler have come and gone, even if it has a different name by then.
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Post by barbwiresabu on Oct 10, 2006 11:18:21 GMT -5
i think the extreme fans will always be alive telling the new generation about sabu, terry funk, sandman,rhino,etc. but i would love to see a new wrestling company that has guys that give it there all in every match and go to the extrme with crowd dives and flying hurricirannas. i think TNA is some what X-treme with that barbwire massacare match with abyss and sabu.
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Post by The SteelDragon on Oct 10, 2006 18:42:23 GMT -5
I really like Kendrick and Paul London. In my opinion they're a lot more extreme then most "hardcore" wrestlers with all their high flying, death defying stunts. I wouldn't advise doing that on the indy level, because most indyfeds don't have insurance and even when they do it doesn't cover the long term effects. Of course that might be why I'm an indy wrestler while London and Kendrick are in the WWE.
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Post by chasinglamely on Oct 10, 2006 21:58:13 GMT -5
i think the extreme fans will always be alive telling the new generation about sabu, terry funk, sandman,rhino,etc. but i would love to see a new wrestling company that has guys that give it there all in every match and go to the extrme with crowd dives and flying hurricirannas. i think TNA is some what X-treme with that barbwire massacare match with abyss and sabu. What you described is what I'm aiming for with my promotion.
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Post by televus on Nov 28, 2006 17:26:50 GMT -5
Extreme wrestling is definitly not dead. Check out the CZW and IWA-MS matches and check out how bloody they can get. Its amazing what some guys go through just to get a crowd reaction.
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Post by dxvince07 on Nov 29, 2006 9:32:48 GMT -5
there is no way in hell that extreme wrestling is dying...on TV yes...but untelevised promotions like CZW, IWA, XPW, NJPW, AJPW, and all the other jap[anese promotions will never let extreme wrestling die....but still...lets face the facts...ECW isn't nearly as extreme as it used to be...but thats on the SciFi channel...but on pay per view...no one cares how bloody it gets or how many broken bones there are...i personally think that ECW's December to Dismember is going to be the most extreme ECW event EVER!
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Post by 2xw on Apr 9, 2007 12:04:54 GMT -5
I personally believe that high flying death defying wrestling counts as Xtreme, the elevation x and ultimate matches are some of the best and most watched matches in the world.Extrem will never die, whether it's a powerbomb through a burning table or a swantom bomb from a top of a ladder.
Extreme! Wooo!
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Post by slit665 on May 11, 2007 9:43:06 GMT -5
Extreme Wrestling is a nice change of pace, but it would get old if they did it all the time. It is dying out though sadly.
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Post by dann on Jan 10, 2008 12:46:53 GMT -5
It won't die because it's an easy buck. You can put on a show using all local indy guys, and you won't pull a great crowd. Classic wrestling doesn't sell like it used to. Atleast up north. But if you add a no ropes barbed wire match to the card, and you can guaruntee all your back yard ECW fans will come out of the wood work for it. You can even sacrifice the quality of wrestling in exchange for hardcore. I'm not saying you can't have great wrestling in an extreme match, because it happens. But generally, you can put 2 guys in the ring with a day of training, and as long as the juice is going, they don't need to know a single move to get a reaction.
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Post by cmtaker619 on Dec 3, 2008 23:15:39 GMT -5
I think extreme can still be done so long as it is done right. The misconception that extreme is only about swinging objects is complete and utter ignorance. Extreme can be woven into a storyline with brilliance if done right. Example being two guys are working each other they have say 4 matches where two matches have ended in clean victories and the other two end in screw jobs. So now you need that one match that will finish the job. Bring out the extreme. On the same note extreme shouldn't be used in every match of the night. Why? Because then you ruin the excitement. The fans need to feel a buzz about what they are about to see and if the first match of the night starts out with weapons flying around then they get their fix so you defeat the mood of extreme if every other match is some kind of extreme match. The only problem with extreme and this goes into high spots as well is that once you have done the extreme you have to one up that extreme in order to keep it exciting and fresh for the people watching. Take for example the typical chair shot. Chairs are used on a regular basis and now when a worker gets hit with a chair there is a slight buzz but not as much as there used to be when chairs first started coming into play. Same thing goes for kendo sticks, in the fact that Sandman used one, then Dreamer then, Credible to the point where it became not a cool prop in a match but an expected item. You can also use New Jack's balcony dive. So while extreme is still a viable commodity in wrestling it should be treaded on carefully. thats why wwe only does that once a year at one night stand
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Post by cmtaker619 on Dec 3, 2008 23:36:21 GMT -5
but as a few people are saying extreme doesnt have to be weapons it can be a style
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Post by The SteelDragon on Dec 22, 2008 18:30:00 GMT -5
The problem with extreme wrestling is that a lot of people try to cover up their lack of wrestling ability by using weapons. It eventually boils down to garbage wrestling. The trick is to use the occasional weapon to enhance the match, not dozens of weapons in place of a match.
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Post by acknight on Apr 10, 2009 8:56:55 GMT -5
I agree with Frost and the Dragon. Extreme doesnt mean you have to beat each other with a ton of weapons. All those fed that need to do all the blood shed, the crazy stuff to draw a crowd is doing it all wrong. The people come to see wrestling, with a story attached to it. You can use the extreme element to hype up a main event, and it will draw. If all you have is people beating each other until they bleed, you will loose your crowd after a few matches.
I personally stay away from too extreme. I have a job and my insurance doesnt cover me getting the sh!t kicked out of me for a show. I cant got to work all covered in scars. I mean extreme can be good, but some take it way to far. I know of a guy, Madman Pondo, who waswilling to have his little finger cut off for an Indy Fed Match. That is way past wrestling, and too extreme for any Indy fed, imo.
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Post by kpwwrdwde on Apr 25, 2009 10:38:05 GMT -5
ECW in the old days were brutal and hardcore now it's a piece of crap so I agree I think it's dead unless we the people take action
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