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Post by therealazmyth on Dec 5, 2006 16:12:17 GMT -5
Over the past years, I have noticed that wrestling has slowly drifted away from what I remember. The shows were about superb technical wrestling, and fabulous storylines. Then, bleeding was a spectacle that you only saw once in a blue moon. Now its something I see at least twice every monday night. I am getting ready to take a stab at running a federation, and alot of places we may set up shows will not allow people to bleed all over the place. And, in todays age.. with new talent being booked all the time. You never know who has what, when you get in the ring with them. Is bleeding overrated? and how do wrestlers who refuse to juice do in the wrestling world? Is their a choice? Can a wrestler get over by wrestling ability alone? I know there are alot of wrestlers out there who have made there name by how much blood they spill every match. Does this work in reverse?
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Post by The SteelDragon on Dec 6, 2006 3:14:30 GMT -5
Blood works if its a once in a blue moon thing. If you have two or three events a year with blading it has effect. If a wrestlers bleed at all of your events people quit caring. On WWE/TNA level a wrestler would get in trouble for refusing to blade. On the indyfed level I doubt it, because its seen as dangerous and indyfed wrestlers don't make that much. If a promoter pays me $20 a show and tells me to do something unsafe, I'll just quit and go to another indyfed.
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Post by dingdong on Dec 6, 2006 16:15:00 GMT -5
Blood isn't needed.
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Post by Matthew J Stark on Dec 8, 2006 10:05:16 GMT -5
In the last year only one guy in my fed has bladed. He begged me to be put in a situation where he could blade, so I put him in a match with a bigger guy who I was trying to get over as a monster. It worked really well and got the big guy over.
Since then lots of my guys have been asking if they can blade, but I haven't let anyone do it since, because if everyone starts bleeding then the monster loses his fearsomeness.
Blading has its place, but if its overused it becomes less of a spectical, and who wants to bleed for nothing?
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Post by chasinglamely on Dec 8, 2006 13:44:59 GMT -5
Agreed. Blood should be used to add drama. Nothing more.
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Post by therealazmyth on Dec 8, 2006 21:28:25 GMT -5
I honestly wonder if one could do the same thing with a well placed blood capsule. Its not like its not obvious enough as to what they are doing anyway. I may expiriment with that, I do monster special effects as a hobby and I can make some realistic looking stuff. If I could make something that would look like you'd been cut, that could be applied in much the same way you "blade", I could be onto something  |
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Post by The SteelDragon on Dec 8, 2006 23:38:02 GMT -5
Blood capsules are good for having someone bleed from the mouth or nose, but other places it would be difficult get the capsule to stay in place and not be seen/noticed. If it was seen or blotched, it totally ruin the match.
Blading isn't that bad, its a little worse then cutting yourself shaving. I'd honestly rather blade then take 10 straight suplexes.
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Post by chasinglamely on Dec 8, 2006 23:58:46 GMT -5
You would? I love taking suplexes. Blading hurts like nothng on Earth.
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Post by The SteelDragon on Dec 9, 2006 1:55:46 GMT -5
Most of the rings I've been in suplexes, body slams, and power bombs really do hurt. They don't hurt terribly, but if I take a dozens of them in a match or training session its safe to say I'll feel it the next day.
Blading hurts the moment it happens feels weird for the rest of the match and stings when I go back to the locker room and apply disinfectant. Then I put some gause on it and forget about it for a day. By the end of the next day its hard to tell anything even happened.
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Post by therealazmyth on Dec 9, 2006 9:11:34 GMT -5
I'm with the other guys.. I'll take 10 suplexes over before I cut myself. I have a real problem with mutilating myself. I'm sure you've seen dusty rhodes forehead.. it looks like he threw his head in a meat grinder. As far as making it to where you can't "see it". I haven't seen a match in a long time where I couldn't blatantly tell they bladed. Even seen them toss the blade onto the floor after they are done. This wouldn't be a capsule.. but something else. Now you wouldn't be able to achieve "mick foley" blood unless you bladed.. I think it hurts worse than anything else ever. Its like a paper cut to me, and you know how much those hurt. That, and who enjoys cutting themselves? The capsule would be something you could apply the same as you blade. you could conceal it and then pull it out when needed, and apply the same way... but without cutting. I'm going to get to work.. I have some ideas..
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Post by Matthew J Stark on Dec 9, 2006 9:45:23 GMT -5
Well this is the one and only blade job I allowed:  He miss-cut himself and now has a 1 1/2inch scar down his forehead. I'm not so keen myself. I just wouldnt blade, full stop. If I genuine got busted open fine, but I'm not cutting my own face |
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Post by chasinglamely on Dec 9, 2006 11:09:12 GMT -5
A 1.5 inch scar? Jesus, that's overkill. All he needed so was make a small nick (less than a centimetre, in fact) and get his opponent open it up. He wouldn't have gotten a scar then  |
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Post by therealazmyth on Dec 9, 2006 13:48:18 GMT -5
thats exactly why I don't blade.
I was in a match with a guy.. it was just a 6 man tag match. Noone knew this kid was gonna blade. He gets hit with a chair, and when he gets back up, his head is completely red. I knew then he'd cut himself too deep. I got blood all over me, even though I was his tag partner.. and this was the first time I'd ever met this guy. The ring was splattered with his blood and he was dripping everywhere. After the show, the promoter got in trouble because he had promised the venue it would not be gory and bloody and they weren't allowed back. The guy who bladed.. indeed cut himself WAY too deep and to wide and bled profusely for nearly another hour after that and probably needed stitches, and more so will def. have a bad scar.
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Post by cawpunked on Dec 23, 2006 10:16:41 GMT -5
blood is not really needed in a match, exspecially the fake blood, it is obvious in wrestling when they cut themself with the blade and drop it. If it is real then it is ok and it obviously is needed because you cant stop it, but blood is not needed in a good match
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Post by The SteelDragon on Dec 23, 2006 20:33:24 GMT -5
My favorite way of blading:
A small cut underneath the eye brow a few hours before the match. Since its under the eye brow its not real visible. When its time the opponent gives the wrestler a stiff and it opens the cut again. Just be sure to do it on the edge of the eyebrow, so blood doesn't go into the eyes. A lot of times in front of the audience a wrestler is trying to conceal the razor, and be fast so they misscutting themselves.
I've been told that when you blade you should drink two beers within the hour before your match because it will thin the blood and cause you to sweat more, making the blood look a lot worse. Somehow the thought of getting liquered up before a match just doesn't seem very bright to me. Another old vetern I talk to says asprin does the same thing.
As I said before blading is good if it happens once in a blue moon. In wrestling something unusual tends to sell. Of course if that unusual thing happens all the time it become a normal occurance and loses its appeal.
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Post by timo on Feb 18, 2007 8:39:57 GMT -5
From my point of view, it's OK if you do it every now and then,but some guys juice every single match. Tag match - some New Jack wannabe juices, Triple Threat - Same again.
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Post by fishfarm on Feb 19, 2007 6:47:05 GMT -5
I agree, it should be a rare happening for a nomral wrestling promotion. But I don't see anything wrong with it for a deathmatch promotion, I love those promotions.
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Post by Chris Morgan on Feb 19, 2007 18:54:32 GMT -5
Im not to keen on the whole gig idea, unless it has a point. I myself havent done it, although, I have been busted open hardway style. That's the last time I let a greenhorn DDT me on a box fan.
Anyways, there is one guy in one promotion I work for, and hes gonna be the next Abdullah (without the fat and back titties). He loves the gig, and I just dont get it.
I think the question is, what happened to workers who get over on their ability, instead of popping a few aspirin, and cutting your forehead. I dont know, maybe Im just a wrestling purist.
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Post by The SteelDragon on Feb 22, 2007 20:47:10 GMT -5
^In the words of Mick Foley "I used to be a great technical wrestler and I like technical wrestling, I really do. Then I noticed a connection between how much technical wrestling I did and how many peanut butter sandwiches I was eating. The more time technical wrestling the more sandwiches. The more hardcore, the more I got to eat steak."
I love wrestlers that can wrestle, but use hardcore wrestling to augment their matches. I hate people that can't wrestle, so they go "extreme" to compensate for their lack of skill.
"The death of a man is a tragedy. The death of a million men is a statistic."-Joseph Stalin.
(One of the few things that man said that I agree with, it also relates to how the fans view blood and hardcore wrestling)
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Post by stupidbuzby on Apr 9, 2007 12:25:11 GMT -5
The thing with blading is, that it's really predictable. but with death matches, you need people to bleed, or it's not going to be believable. Regular matches don't need it, unless it goes for an hour I can understand. It makes more sense if bleeding happens after a certain point in time in a match that has gone for a long time.
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Post by Vinstamaina on Dec 23, 2009 7:27:59 GMT -5
Don't agree with it at all but i guess it depend on the auidience. If your performing in front of children, I say No way!
Get yourself over by having a good match
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